Weapons of Mass Protection

Chapter 1 - Are Demons Real? - Read it here!

We wrote a book! And we turned it into an audiobook, a video series, a workbook and and guided healing meditations!

The book is a conversation between Mark and Abby about their experiences, and what they learned on their journeys, along with exercises and practical solutions for multi-dimensional problems! We want to share this book with everyone so we made the eBook free, and are sharing chapter 1 here in both audio and written format, so you can get a taste of what it’s all about.

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Weapons of Mass Protection - Practical Tools for Spiritual Warfare

by Abby Wynne and Mark Attwood

narrated by Abby Wynne, Mark Attwood and Jayne Deasy

Chapter 1 - Are Demons Real?

Mark’s Earliest Memory

M: My earliest memory as a child was in 1973, during the miners’ strike in the UK. The satanic paedophile, Edward Heath, was Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain. We had a wave of blackouts, it was called the three-day week1 , where there was no electricity in the country for three or four days a week. It was dark during those nights. My mum brought in these little tea lights from the Co-Op and put them next to my bed when she would come in to kiss me goodnight. She kept the candle alight so I wouldn't be too scared of the dark because I was only 3 or 4 years old. 

I remember demons coming for me all night, every night. I could see their faces even with my eyes closed. They were telling me things that would butter my ego; tell me I was really powerful and that I could have anything I wanted in life. All I had to do was work with them. But I knew, even at that age, not to do it. I resisted them and said no. I wasn't frightened of them. 

But there was one particular night I remember when I saw a second shadow of a demon on the wall. I usually saw my own, normal fuzzy edged shadow on the wall by my bed. But this time there was another one, on a different wall that was completely black, with an outline. There were two horns on the head of that shadow. I sat up in bed, and lay down, to see if I could get rid of the shadow, to get rid of those horns, because I didn't know what they were. But the shadow stayed there, no matter what I did. I even rubbed my head vigorously to get rid of the horns, because I thought it was my own shadow and the horns were on my head! But no, they remained on the wall. That’s something I will never forget. That was my earliest memory and I'd forgotten this to some degree because you move on as you go through childhood, and these kinds of experiences get erased. 

When I first went on the Charlie Ward show in 2020, I was nervous. I didn't know what I was going to say. I liked Charlie. I'd seen his videos and thought, “This guy's being positive about all of this while everybody else has been terrified.” I thought he was really interesting. I saw his Facebook page go from 1000 to 100,000 very quickly. Everybody on there was terrified, they kept asking, “What's going on? What's happening?” And I knew intrinsically what was happening because I knew what was coming. So I wrote this piece on his Facebook page saying, “Look, this is my perspective. This is what I think. And I think it's going to be fine. You just have got to hang on because this is a spiritual war.” That went viral. Then his show got in touch with me and said, “You’ve got to come on the show”. That’s how it all kicked off for me in terms of starting my own show, Adventures in a Meat Suit, as it was originally called. 

I remember it got delayed. He had like 10,000 subscribers on YouTube when I was supposed to go on, but it got cancelled for some reason. By the time I finally went on, he had 80,000 subscribers and over 100,000 people saw the video! I remember not knowing what I was going to talk about, but then this memory resurfaced and I started talking about it. After the show, I was like, “Oh my God, I've just been all over YouTube talking about demons!” I thought, “I'm ruined. If my business clients see this, I'm ruined.” But then I started getting emails from people saying “The same thing happened to me. The exact same thing happened to me.” And this is when I started realising, actually, I'm here for a reason. And I've got to share this information. Are demons real? For me? It's an absolute yes. What they are is another question entirely.

Abby’s First Demonic Experience

A: When I was in my healing practice, when I was just starting off realising that I was a shamanic psychotherapist, I was trying to organise how I held everything. I had clients coming in for psychotherapy but they needed shamanism or Reiki. I was trying to figure out how all the healing modalities connect together and found everything bleeding in-between the lines whenever I tried to put strong boundaries around them all.

The room that I practised in was a large room. I had made it a really lovely space. There was a kitchenette at the back where I could make tea for myself in between sessions, and space for my desk where I could do my administration and writing. It was all open plan, with a bookcase cordoning off the space for counselling, and for where my desk was at the back, and the kitchenette. Anyway. One time this woman came to see me. She was crossing and uncrossing her legs the whole time, very agitated, and I found myself getting agitated just being beside her. She had this really strange energy about her. I started to pull away from her, but I wanted to continue to be the understanding therapist. I want her to feel safe to talk. Mid way through the session her voice changed. Her eyes, they changed too. She started talking about how her landlord wanted to seduce her, how he broke into her bedroom, how she could feel him in the room with her even if he wasn’t physically in the room. She stopped crossing her legs at this point and was sitting very tall and straight in the chair, and I felt a coldness down my spine and I felt paralysed. I knew there was something totally creepy going on. I wanted to run out of there but I couldn’t because I had a duty of care to my client, this woman. Yet she didn’t seem like herself at this point. I had never come into contact with something that clearly demonic. I knew and she knew that I knew. I had to remind myself, okay, she's coming to me for psychotherapy, she just wants to talk. I don't need to actually do anything here, so I'll just give her that space, and I'll let her talk. And she'll say what she has to say. I'll reflect back to her, you know, which is what you do in standard psychotherapy. It felt better to remind myself, so I pulled back and just listened. Thankfully the time eventually was up.  There was a feeling of heaviness and dread which lingered in the room after she left. My body felt heavy too, like I was carrying a huge weight in my arms and legs. I needed to get up and refresh myself; there was another client coming. I decided to make tea. 

I turned my back to the space where we'd been sitting and went to the back of the room to the little kitchen to put the kettle on, but I still felt a presence in the room. With my back turned to the chairs, it, whatever it was, was coming closer and closer to me. I felt my hackles go up, prickles down my arms – I turned around fast like in a horror film half expecting to see a ghost or a demon or something, but there was nothing there.  Nothing for my eyes to see, anyway. I told myself, “There's nothing here, there's nothing to be afraid of.” Then I turned back to attend to the tea and I felt it coming closer and closer again.  I thought, “Okay, what is going on here?”

There's a fine line between thinking, ‘Is my brain playing tricks on me, or is this real?’ I was definitely in that space. There wasn't anything as obvious for me in that moment as a shadow with horns on the wall. But I really felt the presence of something horrible in the room. I had a tightness in my chest and I felt disgust ripple up and down through me, my back was sore, my body heavy. It had never been like that before. 

I put down my tea and turned around. I faced the room and said in a very strong, loud voice: “Anything in here that doesn't belong to me, anything in here, that's bad energy, that wishes me harm, or harm on anyone else, GET OUT!!! You're not allowed in here. I do not give you permission to be here.”

I turned my back once more and finished making the tea. And I brought the tea back to the counselling chairs, put it on the table, then opened the front and back door to let the air in. I burned some sage to lift the energy and the feeling slowly dissipated. Thankfully by the time the next client came, it felt much better in there. I was thinking about it for days, I really felt it. I knew what it was, but it was so difficult to admit it to myself.

Satan vs Lucifer

A: It feels to me like Satan is the higher echelon, but Lucifer is the reflection of Satan in the world. Perhaps Lucifer works for Satan. I am not an expert in this, I only know what I have experienced. But I have met demons since that client that came to me, and they have felt different, but they have all been difficult to deal with. 

There are different types of demon. I believe they work in a hierarchy, like a corporate office. I wrote a story recently where I wrote about demonic foot soldiers out on the streets who reported back to their chief, in a similar way to the organisational structure of the police. It’s funny to think of it that way. There are probably office workers and middle management, project managers, upper management and then an executive board of directors, and a CEO. Perhaps all the CEOs report to Lucifer. And Lucifer reports to Satan. 

Demons are supernatural beings. We could label them as evil, but again, it really depends on where you're coming from. They are showing us contrast, enticing us to make a choice.

But then, there are also the nasty, dark aspects of ourselves that we dissociate from. Our own inner demons. I wouldn't call them shadow aspects; I am clear about that. Shadow aspects lurk in shadows, you’re not aware of them. Sometimes it’s someone else that points these out to you. They come up when you’re triggered, and you have an opportunity to see them, own them and heal them. Darkness is different. You can be completely aware of the dark aspects of yourself, disassociate from them and allow them roam around. They can gather in packs with similar dissociated aspects from other people. That’s called an egregore: group mind, group dark mind. Something that we might call demonic could actually be part of the human psyche, as opposed to something that is supernatural. They’re running around doing damage because we're giving power to them. It's good to clarify that because maybe Lucifer is the one that entices the human demons to come out and play. He encourages it.  I don't know anything for certain; it feels right to me. What do you think?

M: Well, I certainly think Satan is a separate entity to Lucifer. And for me, Lucifer is a fallen angel. I think the way that you describe Satan, maybe the boss man and Lucifer as a reflection or mirror of that energy is probably right. This leads me to think about the fallen angels, the Elohim and the Nephilim, and the missing books of the Bible. 

It's important for me to say to anybody reading this book that I am not the most well-read person, and I don't put myself out there as a spiritual guru. I'm just a bloke. I'm just a man that's had an extraordinary life on Earth, the kind that has these very deep spiritual experiences. I think the reason for sharing them and saying that I’m not an Oracle, is extremely important because one of the things I've run into, since being public about all this information, is that I've been faced with enormous amounts of dogma coming back at me. ‘Oh, you know nothing about the Bible,’ or ‘You know nothing about Satan and Lucifer.’ Well, actually, I do because I've had my own direct experiences with them, and that's the whole point of this book. We've all had our own personal experiences of all these things. 

There are many, many truths, depending on where you are standing. There is no ‘One Truth’. I think the reason for bringing up Satan, Lucifer, fallen angels and the Elohim is that a lot of information about them was removed from the Bible by the Council of Nicaea in AD 325. I heard that 900 books were taken out of the Bible from a source I trust more than Google. Don't quote me if I'm wrong, but it is a big number!2 The Book of Enoch is one of the biggest and most important books. It covers Noah's journey. He had the vision to build the Ark because he knew that God was going to come and wipe the slate clean since it had got so corrupt and evil due to the fallen angels. The Book of Enoch talks about the fallen angels having sex with human women and creating the Giants/Nephilim. You have to ask yourself the question, why was all that taken out? Why did they rewrite the Bible? 

For me, it's because it's a limited hangout. So, you know, my show is called Adventures in a Cosmic Suit, although it was originally called Adventures in a Meat Suit. I heard this line – ‘we are spirits having a human experience, not humans having a spiritual experience.’ We are like ghosts wearing meat suits. That tickled me. I changed the name to Adventures in a Cosmic Suit because it really is this understanding, this fundamental difference, that we are eternal spirits. And once you understand that, then by default, if you truly understand that, then you lose the fear of death.

This is where the mystery is. And this is why I think they got rid of those books from the Bible, so the normal people would not know that these entities are real, and powerful, and that we're connected to them in some way. Knowing this is really empowering for us. 

You can't be controlled if you are in your power. 

M: And that's one of the reasons why I feel that these missing books of the Bible are beginning to resurface now, and that more people are deciphering them. They’re becoming more available to us, and more people are finding out about them. Like The Dead Sea Scrolls, I don't think they've even gotten the full essence of what's in there yet.

People talk about the veil being taken down. I think the veil is inside us, not outside of us, because we create this reality. They've been disempowering us, beaming frequencies into us to weaken us because they know we are the creators. So we've been creating this world based upon the frequencies that they've been giving us. But there are new light codes coming in from the new sun and new high frequency energies coming into our energy field. We are evolving, and effectively starting to create the original blueprint of what Gaia on Earth was supposed to be before it got taken over by the demonic entities and fallen angels. 

And because of that, some of us are starting to see things that other people don't see, like fairies and auras and angels. So the veil is already down for some people. Maybe it’s been down for a lot of people for a long time. I saw that thing on the wall when the veil was down for me 50 years ago. It's a strong influence over our lives; we get used to it. “Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.” Einstein said that, and that's exactly what it is. Life is all an illusion. But it's extremely convincing.

If you are born into the Catholic Church, you go to an exorcist if you have a demonic entity. The fact is, the last three years is proof enough for me – I mean, I've been fighting demons my whole life, I saw that the whole world has been demonically possessed. What’s interesting is that people talk about AI in the same breath as demons and Lucifer and Satan and everything else. And Sophia, and all of this stuff. 

A: I think it's all connected but I don’t think they’re all the same thing. When the demons started to come through more for me and the work that I was doing, I confronted one of them and said, “Let’s just stop a minute and talk.”

M: Let’s talk about that. That's interesting. Yeah.

A: I had this one persistent presence who kept coming through, who I knew was demonic.  I had been communing with angels so I could tell the difference. I said to him, because it felt male, I said, “Let’s not fight. Let’s stop and get to know each other. Can we get a cup of tea and have a chat?” And he just says, “Nobody has ever asked me to do that before! Why? Why would we do this?”

I said, “Well, first of all, I need to give you a name, if that's all right. Can I call you Harold?” I called him Harold! I think he chose the name. I can’t exactly remember. I still talk to him sometimes. Obviously, he wasn't in the flesh, he was in the energetic realms, but I was doing a lot of shamanic work and astral projection with the veil being gone and it felt very real to me. I told him I think everything is interesting. I said, “We should talk because we can learn from each other.” Everything's learning. And he's, well, even the demons, they're there for us. Yes, they're there for us to teach us about ourselves. 

Sometimes I would call on him and ask him advice on things that I didn't have an answer for. When I wrote my novels, I knew I needed to set up protection around them so that I wasn't going to be attacked again. I had had enough of that.  I asked Harold what the best way to protect myself was. It's a bit like Good Omens, you know, where the angel and the demon are working together. 

M: Well, you know, the Hopi prophecy3 talks about the Eagle and the Condor coming together. And I think that's where we are right now. I learned this from my experiences with Ayahuasca4. We don't need tools to see through the veil, although I found those extremely useful for me, because they came to me when I was ready. Ayahuasca, peyote, magic mushrooms, organic technologies are placed here for us when we need them. 

If you look at ayahuasca – how is it possible in the rainforest, with billions of species of plants, to work out that this one and that one together, brewed for a certain period of time, allow you to create a plant medicine? Because for me, these are tools to help us. The most powerful thing I've ever done was breathwork in terms of a journey, but finding out about myself through ayahuasca helped me enormously. I saw some demonic stuff doing that, and I saw some amazing stuff doing that, because it teaches you what you need to learn at that time.

This is when I came to the conclusion that there's no such thing as a “bad” trip on plant medicine because you're getting exactly what you need at that moment. It also led me to the conclusion that there's no such thing as hallucinating because, actually, all it's doing is unlocking the veil inside you, so you can see what you need to see as part of your spiritual journey. 

Extra Terrestrials vs Demons

M: As I was waking up years ago, I came across Stuart Wilde5, who was the first person to be published by Hay House after Louise Hay. He was an English writer and talker of Spirit on his own spiritual journey. I think he was about 26 years old when he made millions out of the jeans industry in the 1960s. He wrote this book called Infinite Self, which is a must-read for anybody that's never read it and is interested in spirituality. He talks about the fact that he walked away from his business empire and spent the next 40 years roaming the earth doing talks and writing books. In particular, he said that UFOs are demons. 

Now, I've always struggled with this because I've seen UFOs my entire life. When I talk about UFOs, I mean white lights in the sky doing things that aeroplanes can't do – that's how I define what a UFO is because it's unidentified, it's flying, and it's an object. I happen to live in the UFO capital of Ireland, where the UFO Society of Ireland was based for many, many years. There's a portal in the lake near me, and I see ships here almost every night.  

So this whole thing about ETs versus demons is important to discuss. Like the Greys, for example. There are lots of different species of Greys if you look into it. I have seen Greys physically at the end of my bed. I think it was in 1996, there were 5 or 6 of them around my feet. I had a flashback about two years ago of them operating on my brain and, weirdly, I had meningitis when I was about 8 or 9 years old when my parents were told I was highly likely to die, but I didn't. During that process, I had an operation, a lumbar puncture. I remember talking to a nurse all the way through it. But when I had the flashback about 10 years ago, I was like, “No, hang on, I was looking down on myself while I was talking to somebody throughout the operation.”

I think these things are connected. So I think Stuart Wilde was not 100% right about the the ETs as demons, but I do think a percentage of people have seen these ETs, including myself. Call them Extra Terrestrials, aliens, whatever, however you want to define these non-human species. I mean, there're just tons and tons of examples of this. Just look at Mount Shasta!

A: We still don't know exactly what ETs are. There is an idea that some of them are us from the future, coming back in time to the present, to help us. If you remember what I said earlier, that some demons are aspects of the human psyche that we've dissociated from, animated and running around by themselves. Some of these ET species could be the evolved form of those types of demon. 

I think that, just as we have different races of people, different types of personalities, different archetypal energies, so we have different races of ETs from different planets. And again, it would get more complex as they divide into rankings and sub-species. It would be possible theoretically to quantify and classify ETs the way a biologist does when, say, collecting insects and labelling them. You could probably put all the ETs into family, genre and species. Obviously, we haven't been able to do that. So this is all speculation. 

What you know in your heart to be true comes through your own experiences, that has to be what takes precedent. I have met ETs through my work, just as I have met demons and angels. I have a healing team that is ETs, and one that is angelic. Not all ETs are demonic, the ones that wish us well and want to help feel completely different to demons.

People have different tolerances for different things. You're talking about ayahuasca, mushrooms and breathwork as ways to break down the veil within. I tried breathwork and I passed out before I even got into it. I’m that sensitive. I was going around my cottage last night to find something that was ticking and I had to find where it was, so I could unplug it before it drove me crazy, because I wouldn't be able to sleep with it in the house.  We see things with different values, different arenas of experience. We have different perspectives. I think it’s wonderful when we can say, “Well, this is how I see it, and this is how you see it.” Only by doing that can we get the whole picture. We don't have enough of those perspectives yet, I think, to be able to get a whole picture, but we're certainly putting together kind of a decent picture at this point.

Stories Of Demonic Attacks During COVID

M: One of the reasons why I called lockdowns and everything around the Covid era ‘Spiritual Quarantine,’ is that a huge number of people had to just stop and look inside, or stop, and then decorate the house and watch more television! You know, that's what seems to have happened. They're the ones who got jabs. The ones who started looking inside went on and said, “I'm not doing this,” and that created this resistance. And the resistance is the key. 

I'm always reminded of George Carlin's great sketch about germs from the 90s, the American comedian:

“When I was a little boy in New York City in the 1940s, we swam in the Hudson River, and it was filled with raw sewage, okay? We swam in raw sewage! You know, to cool off. And at that time, the big fear was polio. Thousands of kids died from polio every year. But you know something? In my neighbourhood, no one ever got polio. No one, ever! You know why? 'Cause we swam in raw sewage! It strengthened our immune systems! The polio never had a prayer. We were tempered in raw shit!” George Carlin

M: When when did, we became obsessed about germs? There were many demonic attacks that happened during COVID. For me, I was attacked by a demon that was so heavy on my back, I had to crawl up the stairs because I couldn't stand up. It was so big and heavy. It was very physical. And with my resistance to being controlled, in 2020, ‘21, especially, I was getting attacked constantly, constantly, constantly, constantly until I stood up against it. One night, I remember standing up one night and said out loud, “Right. I'm sick of this. Fuck off. FUCK OFF!!!”

I said it right from the bottom of my gut. And they just disappeared! And I was like, “Whoa, yeah, sorry for swearing. Well, not really.” That's the key. You have to totally, totally mean it when you tell them to fuck off.

A: That’s just like me, in my healing room. I knew that if there was an aspect of me that liked the drama, that wanted to play with a demon, and I said, “Fuck off!” and didn’t really mean it, if there was a weakness there, it would be straight back in again.

M: Precisely. Because they know where the cracks are. I've learned so much about the way that demonic energy attacks you. It doesn't just attack you to your face. It was physical, in my case. Attacks can also come through people that you love. For example, they can act out towards you, in strange ways. It also comes through your peccadilloes. So if you like a drink, for example, because people say that alcohol comes from the Arabic term ‘Al-khul’, which means ‘body-eating spirit’ which translates to a demonic entity.  There are pubs on the corner of every street in Ireland, yes, less now than there used to be, but they're still there.

I often laugh because it seems the Cabal and the bad guys, whoever you think is in control of Satan's world, effectively put the pubs everywhere instead of magic mushroom bars, because they would be far happier places. Look at Amsterdam and see how strong the weed is there; it's been hybridised. That's demonic energy coming through, how they invert everything, hijack something natural, because original cannabis is actually quite mild and mellow. If you go into a cannabis bar in Amsterdam, for example, unless you've got incredibly high tolerance, which I have not, you get completely bombed out. And it's not a good energy. You're surrounded by prostitutes and harder drugs, stuff like that. Makes it all too easy. 

A: During the COVID plandemic, the work that I did for myself started with defining what evil was because I was so shocked that people would do that to people. For me, I saw evil everywhere – in different shades and different colours. I needed to get really clear on what it was for myself. Evil is doing deliberate harm. Sure, we can harm someone accidentally, but doing it deliberately, that’s the difference. 

With the vaccines I felt they were evil straight away. I just didn’t have the words for it. I remember I almost had a total nervous breakdown over it. I intuitively knew they were poison, but I could not prove it. And when they rolled them out in Ireland and made threats, used coercion, and brought out the certification system, I felt sick inside. I was filled with dread for my children and wanted to protect my family with everything that I had inside of me. I think I actually did become twisted up with the anger for such a long time. I knew that in itself it was bad for me, that it would make me sick, so I needed to put energy into myself to release the anger. It took me a long time, and it’s not all gone. 

I was so grateful that I found new friends, because I lost many of my old ones. I could see that the light behind people's eyes was going dimmer. We had so much less in common, I didn’t want to spend time with them. My new friends were the ones who did not lose the light behind their eyes. It took a while for us to find each other and I think we became trauma bonded for a while too.

Those people who fell for it, who did what they were told and took the vaccine, began doing and saying nasty things to those of us that didn’t take it, those of us that would not comply. Some of those people weren't even in their bodies. It was quite scary. I don’t know if they were taken over demonically, but they certainly were disempowered to a degree. I had to pull away from some of my close relationships, judging the behaviour and not the person. My heart was broken for over a year; in fact, it still has not fully healed. I found my circle of friends getting smaller and smaller. Close family too, even though I was the one who had a master’s degree in science and worked as a research biologist in a laboratory! I’ve even presented two papers at international conferences and had my name on a paper that was published in a scientific journal. I did all that before becoming a therapist. I do understand how the politics of science works, how money and grants are given, and how scientists can backward engineer experiments to get their desired results. It made me sick, that’s why I gave it all up. I didn’t see the point of it. 

I managed to find the original paper on spike protein mRNA technology on the Internet and I read that all the laboratory rats in their experiment died. So finally I had the proof to back up my intuition. I made a website – I called it ‘do-your-research.com’ and anytime I found something I felt was important, I added it to an ever-growing list of evidence that backed up what I felt was true. 

I kept asking my family, “Who is funding the research that says these vaccines work?” and my family would say “You know nothing about science, take the goddamn vaccines.” I knew nothing about science? With my background? Really? It was as if their minds had gone.

There's such disappointment when this behaviour is coming through people that you love. It can be difficult not to take it personally. But that’s what I had to do. Thankfully, I’ve managed to retain good relationships with my family, and we see each other regularly. Some of my old friends, not so much.

M: Well, I think what you said there is the key - don't take it personally. This comes back for me to the biggest lesson of this entire period, which is; ‘you are the only thing in existence.’ Everything in front of you is for you, including the demonic energy. But you still need to learn how to protect yourself, and you still need to learn how to deal with it. What it’s doing is allowing you to become sovereign and strong. We are learning how to take the power back that has been hidden from us – not taken away, but hidden.

A: It's really important to be clear that it's about deciding – ‘What do I want for me in my life?’ You have to make those choices, nobody else can make them for you, and you can’t make them for anybody else. The sovereign part means ‘I'm choosing for me.’ That's really important. 

People take lifetimes to learn some of their lessons. If they're still in the drama of creating problems for themselves, of dancing with the demons, then those are the lessons that they need to learn. When you take a big step back from the details you realise that the eternal soul lives forever, and it can take 300, 400 or 500 years to learn a fundamental truth. Sometimes souls keep coming back in human form until they learn what they need to. This means that my incarnation is Abby and your incarnation is Mark, physically our bodies are the same age but at soul level our ages can be very different. When you use that perspective on everybody, then it’s easier to judge the behaviour, and not the person.

Remember, sometimes people are just exhausted and don’t have the wherewithal, the stamina to become sovereign in this lifetime. But I do feel that everyone will eventually catch up. I really do. It's like we are paving the way, bringing in that good energy which gives people a better chance to make a better choice. When you have that demon inside your head, or on your back, when it’s beside you whispering in your ear all the time, and you don't have the strength to fight it, I wonder do we really have free will?

Well, this was another thing that I was thinking. Are these people lining up to get injections because they don’t have the strength of will to say no? Are they even aware of what they're doing?  I knew from the start that even if they thought they knew, it wasn’t fully informed consent. Nobody was ever fully informed during the Covid plandemic.

M: You have to go inside and decide for yourself based on the information that you have at hand. Sometimes even that isn’t enough. For example, I interviewed Pascal Najadi7. His father was one of the founders of the EMF which then became the WEF. He knew Klaus Schwab. Pascal met him when he was a child and, again, when he became a high-level banker. His father left Schwab in disgust in the 80s, and Schwab ignored him when they met at a conference once he placed who he was. I was amazed that Pascal actually took the jab twice, he and his mother, just to go on a cruise. 

When I asked him, “Why did you take it? You knew those guys were bad, you'd already worked that out by this point.” He replied, “Well, because I trusted the Swiss government.’ Thankfully now he's woken up. Now he's saying, “We're going to take these guys out.”

It will come to you eventually, if not in this lifetime, in another lifetime. 

A: So our patience is required for those people that we love, that still have not woken up to the inverted world. As I’ve said, some people see things earlier than others, perhaps because they've been around longer. What I think is happening now, though, is that there are more of us waking up, more people are needing to know the information that we're going to give in this book, in the coming chapters. It's really great to be able to have this conversation with you and to say, “We're not the experts, we're opening up the flow, opening up the possibility for others to think, ‘How does this impact me?’” Because this is where sovereignty comes in for you. When you start asking yourself, “How am I showing up in my life? What am I choosing? Is this what I really want?”

Demons and Mental Illness

M: Many of the things I say are from an intuitive and experiential perspective. Including things like mental illness. I’ve had a lot of friends sectioned by the healthcare system. 

My first girlfriend was sectioned. She committed suicide at the age of 28. She'd studied theology, she grew up in a religious cult that was in my village, in Northamptonshire, called the Jesus Fellowship Church initially. Then it became the Jesus Army. It was an evangelical Christian movement, set up by a guy called Noel Stanton, who was a lay preacher at the village church. He sexually abused my dad when he was a 10-year old choirboy. Of course, I didn't know it at the time. Anyway, my girlfriend said to me on the phone when she was sectioned, she said, “This is Hell.”

I remember saying, “Well, yeah, I know, it's a bit tough, sometimes.” She said, “No, Mark. This is Hell, we are in Hell.” And then she checked out. You know, she committed suicide. And, and it stuck with me all the way through the last few years, well, all the way through my life because she was a deeply, deeply sensitive and intelligent person that I thought would go on to become a bestselling author. She was an amazing soul. But she decided to leave and I decided to stay. It's very interesting to me to see how many people get these choices all the way through their life. Constantly we're being given this choice. And every time you choose to stay, you get deeper into it. So it becomes like a computer game: when you finish a level, there’s the next level right in front of you. 

A: When it comes to mental illness, the schizophrenics in the village were believed to be the next Shamans. Schizophrenia breaks through the veil in the mind so that you can see and hear spirits. If you can't contain it, or you're not nurtured or held in the way that you need to be, then you don't necessarily come out of it well. It’s possible then to attract all the wrong energies. 

Throughout history, Ireland silenced anybody who acted out of the ordinary. There are plenty of stories about women who had children outside of wedlock and were put into an asylum, and their babies were taken from them. They may not have been mentally ill when they were locked away, but they certainly became ill while staying there over long periods of time. Imagine the women who could talk to the dead, or to the fairies and the angels, how many of those were called witches and locked away in asylums?

Our mind is so powerful, when we tell ourselves we are ill, we can then become ill. If we give our power away to doctors and clinicians, and we believe them when they tell us we are ill, we can bring it onto ourselves. I often wonder how many diagnoses of mental illness are actually because of true mental illness. Just because the doctors think that you don't fit into this or that particular box, they don't know what to do with you. So they put you into a ‘prescription box’ using drugs, and these prescriptions will actually put you in that box, and keep you there, because the doctor tells you that you have to take the drugs for the rest of your life. 

Believing you are mentally ill can really break down your psyche. And again, if you’re that way inclined, it’s a great opportunity for a part of your psyche to run around and demonise you. You can attack yourself because you're so angry at the world, or at a particular person. You can also attack another person just because you’re so angry at them. So many people are much more powerful than they realise. 

I think, you know, of evil as deliberate harm, putting good people into asylums that will break them. It all has to stop.  Let’s not let that happen anymore. 

I have lost trust completely in big pharma and health systems. They don't want you healthy, they want you sick and dependant on them, disempowered. They want your soul. The health system is demonic. I’ve had so many clients who have psychiatrists that would not help them get off their medication. Clients who've been put on depression medication for years lose their libido and their zest for life. They don’t remember their dreams, and they have no desire for anything. 

One of my very first clients before I graduated with my psychotherapy degree was diagnosed as manic depressive and bipolar. Typical that they gave her to a counsellor in training! But she got me and I was able to help her to some degree. One night she sat in front of me and crossed her arms and said, “I'm having strange suicidal thoughts. I know it’s a side effect of my new medication because my usual suicidal thoughts are different.”

You know, it's just incredible, to this day I still think her perception and her awareness of herself was superb. If somebody who was any less able had those thoughts, they could just go with it and do what they were told to do. As in kill themselves. Who is to know that it wasn’t a demon on her shoulder telling her this. The pharmaceutical demon who kills the most vulnerable. 

M: Well, that's interesting. I was suicidal five or six years ago. And I remember being really annoyed with myself, because I've lost lots of friends to suicide over the years. And I always was a little bit glib about it, like when they just missed out on this amazing life. I still think that to a large degree, but I didn't realise how dark it could get in terms of suicidal thoughts. And for me, it was Groundhog Day, I was just back in the shower thinking, “I'm here again.” Like I was stuck in a horrible, repetitive cycle. I got dragged out of it by God. 

He said, “You got to let everything go.” And I was like, “Everything?”

“Yeah.”

“Including my kids?”

“Yeah.”

And I didn't get it. I mean, I thought I got it intellectually. Ten years earlier, I was putting out memes saying, “Let go, just let go,” because it's part of Taoism to let go. But I didn't really fully understand that we literally have to let go of every single idea of the world that we've ever grown up with – from history and politics, to physics, chemistry. Everything, you know? And all relationships. That's what’s been amazing about the spiritual quarantine. 

Demonic Possession, Shape Shifting and Reptilians

M: David Icke talks a lot about the Archons being in the fourth dimension controlling reality from a distance. I’m not sure if I believe that. But I have seen people shapeshift. I've seen people with black eyes, I've seen people with reptilian eyes. 

In one of his books, David says that he was in a dressing room with Edward Heath, who I mentioned at the start of this chapter, who was Prime Minister of the UK when I was a little boy. He used to visit a restaurant owned by the man who taught me how to cook, by the way, so I came very close to him as a late teenager, in my early 20s, because he used to eat in this restaurant in Hampshire, which was owned by Karl Herman Wadsack, who was a great German chef that started gastropubs in the UK. He would go in there every Tuesday and always had Secret Service people with him, and he also always had a teenage boy with him. David Icke said he saw him with completely black eyes in a dressing room one day, and “the reason I count him as a satanic paedophile was because I keep hearing the same story from lots of different people who were not connected. That he used a metal claw to abuse them with.” 

Jimmy Savile got the kids down from all the children's homes, took them to wherever his yacht was, got the kids on the yacht and took them out to the Channel Islands to have his way with them. And then he tossed them overboard. The Secret Service guys told my friend that the name of that ship was called something like Morning Cloud. And their nickname for it was something like the Morning Nightmare, you know, because they they knew what was happening. 

They're all part of this, this thing. There was another guy during COVID, who came around to visit my house. And he talked about satanic families, and he was planning to go and work for one of them, even though he was fully aware of what they were. When I asked him why, he said, “Well, you know yourself, you want to be on the winning team.”

It's a choice, constantly, that choice that we all have on a micro level and on a macro level. 

When I told the demon to fuck off in the bedroom, it’s like saying ‘Get thee behind me, Satan’ because it seems the Bible is right there. The tools are all there. I avoided reading the Bible for years and years and years. My great grandfather gave me a copy on his deathbed, and he said, “All the answers are there.” He was crying his eyes out because he knew he wouldn't see me again. I named my first son after him as he was a very special man to me. But I knew instinctively that, if I studied the Bible too much, I would become dogmatic and back to the Stuart Wilde thing, back to the Catholic priests and being the Exorcist. If you have too many of those dogmatic filters, which are really just programmes, then you can't truly get to the essence of your true self and your true strength.

A: It is wonderful to have the validation when you find there's a verse or a chapter in the Bible, that explains some of this stuff. Much of it is beyond our level of rational comprehension. One of the things that you always say that you haven't said today, so I'm going to say it, is that the reason why we can't fathom the horrific evil that people do is because we're humans, and we don’t believe that humans could do those things.

M: Well, that's the conclusion that I came to a long time ago. That's how they get away with it. Because a human would never do these things. A human that's possessed, perhaps, would do terrible things? Yes. I think a lot of humans have got stuck in demonic programming, or demonic possession.

And now we're at the stage where the demonic hold over people is loosening, and they're having to face themselves in the mirror. It's a question of whether they seek forgiveness and come out and tell the truth about what they've been doing, or not. Again, it's another choice for them and free will dictates. 

A: I keep seeing the scene from the movie, Men In Black, where they flash the light in your eyes and you forget everything. I think they've been doing that for years as well, and it’s not working so well now. People are remembering, people are seeing what is happening and going – hang on, did that really happen? Perhaps it might have happened 10, 15, 20 times already, but now you're actually remembering it. 

Conclusion

M: This chapter is called ‘Are Demons Real?’ My conclusion is, absolutely. But I think they're there for you and are part of your spiritual progress. When you don’t need them anymore, you’re able to break away from them.

A: I know they're real. There are different aspects, different elements, different types of demons. The best thing you can do is own your own demons, do your deep inner work and work with all of the parts of you, so you can heal and integrate all of the aspects of yourself. Clean up your own act, so to speak. That way, you come into alignment with yourself, and you don’t sabotage yourself. I’ll talk more about that in a later chapter.

M: I hope this chapter has opened up lots of questions for people and given people some validation. As you know, I've given my personal opinion about these. I think they're there for us. And, personally, I'm not afraid of them. And I've learned they are made from fear. You know, the horrible scary looking creatures, it's fear. It's not True Power. Our true power lies within us when we are connected to God. Then we can tell the demons to fuck off, and they do.

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